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PCC Chats With
Tom Plattenberger

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December 4, 2000:

For Tom Plattenberger's chat, Tom was in his home, logged into the chat and just read the questions on the screen. He had headphones on and was on the telephone to Kellie Robinson. Kellie also had on headphones so she would have her hands free to be Tom's typist. So ARNOLDPOLYMR and KELLIEAK:Tom are both Tom while Miki is filling in as the hostess.

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CANEGURU:caneguru> Hi Tom!
MIKI35:miki> Hello Tom
SUNNISAN:sunni> hi Tom!!
KELLIEAK:Tom> hi everybody! hi Linda, Sunni, Miki, Dianne
DIANNECOOK:eclectic artist> Hi Tom!
SUNNISAN:sunni> ((tom))
KELLIEAK:Tom> I am speaking thru Kellie now
CANEGURU:caneguru> Channeling, cool!
KELLIEAK:Tom> yes I am channeling
SUNNISAN:sunni> boyzNgurlz, it's time to commence. I'm going to fade into the background. Miki, you're on stage.
MIKI35:miki> ok Sunni thanks
MIKI35:miki> are you ready Tom?
KELLIEAK:Tom> yes, you bet
MIKI35:miki> Tom tell us how you discovered PC
KELLIEAK:Tom> I was visiting a friend in Seattle, Linda do you remember Sara Maccalman
CANEGURU:caneguru> No, she predates me...
KELLIEAK:Tom> she showed me beads she had made with clay I was blown away. I didn't know what I was looking at but I felt it was important to me. anyway I went right out and bought about 50 bucks worth of clay which I thought was a big investment. it's been pretty much 100 miles an hour ever since
MIKI35:miki> what was your first creation?
KELLIEAK:Tom> the firs thing I wanted to make was a checker board cane, I was intrigued by that and then the next thing I made was a black bead with circles of white with circles of yellow pressed in so it looked like fried eggs. I did try caning at first, my caning slowly tapered off after 2-3 years I would say. I am still intrigued with canes built with the skinner blend.
CANEGURU:caneguru> What year did you start, Tom?
KELLIEAK:Tom> the year before camp long, don't remember the year
CANEGURU:caneguru> That would have been 95
KELLIEAK:Tom> yes, that is correct
MIKI35:miki> your style is intriguing.....so balanced and symmetrical....how do you achieve that?
KELLIEAK:Tom> Miki, in regards to balance and symmetry - some of my work reflects that , but I also do a lot of organic things that are without symmetry.
MIKI35:miki> yes I noticed that....but your work is so precise....
KELLIEAK:Tom> precision is something I have just been pursuing in the last few years. this pursuit is to learn more about the properties of the clay itself.
MIKI35:miki> is the precision in your work in any way influenced by anyone...or just a personal style
KELLIEAK:Tom> no one influences my precision at this point. if you would like to know who is influences my work right now, it would be Andy Goldsworthy.
KELLIEAK:Tom>
MIKI35:miki> I am sorry to say that I am not familiar with him
KELLIEAK:Tom> he is a sculptor who uses temporary materials, does outdoor pieces: twigs rocks, icicles, leaves, not PC. fantastic stuff
KELLIEAK:Tom> when I was first able to look at examples of polymer clay work
MIKI35:miki> who were your early influences tom
KELLIEAK:Tom> the citizen cane work was what impressed me most. to learn how to manipulate the clay, I copied their work
MIKI35:miki> how so Tom?
KELLIEAK:Tom> I tried to figure out how their canes were built, and I built a few canes that copied their cane work
MIKI35:miki> how do you feel about sharing techniques
KELLIEAK:Tom> I love to share techniques. I am working on something right now that is a new way to skinner blend, but I am not going to share it until I have a chance to do a few pieces of it myself first
MIKI35:miki> oh that sounds very interesting! so you don't mind if someone uses the techniques they have learned from you?
KELLIEAK:Tom> not at all
KELLIEAK:Tom> I really like coming across other peoples' work that I think might have been influenced by me
MIKI35:miki> I think that having your work copied is a form of flattery
KELLIEAK:Tom> I have never seen anyone "copy" my work, so I don't know what that would feel like. either people don't like my work, or they can't figure out what I am doing
MIKI35:miki> how long does it usually take you to develop a technique?
KELLIEAK:Tom> a VERY long time when I am in bed, in transition between waking and sleeping I think about my technique and it is one of my favorite things to do
DIANNECOOK:eclectic artist> Tom, that is what I do too...very good time to come up with new techniques.
MIKI35:miki> do you write things down as they occur to you or trust your memory
KELLIEAK:Tom> I keep a sketch book> and working on my sketch book is very enjoyable to me
MIKI35:miki> you share that with Sunni....she is an avid note taker
KELLIEAK:Tom> when I was in college, keeping a sketch book was required, and I didn't like doing it and resisted, but nowadays, it is invaluable to me. not much note taking, just sketching, designing
CANEGURU:caneguru> Did you work in another medium before polymer clay?
KELLIEAK:Tom> yes, before clay, there was black and white photography and before that, ceramic clay and watercolor and before that black ink. I have always felt that creativity was part of my life
MIKI35:miki> I can see the relation between black and white photography and clay
DIANNECOOK:eclectic artist> Tom, on your webpage about precision placement of drilled holes...just wondering do you work with any large pieces ?
KELLIEAK:Tom> yes, I am working on a really large birdhouse right now (http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=258946&a=1927572&p=34685420)
DIANNECOOK:eclectic artist> Are you incorporating the precision idea into the birdhouse also?
KELLIEAK:Tom> with this piece, I am trying to liberate myself from precision, and loosen up my color and shape, [so] not in the same way Dianne. but the good thing about mastering precision techniques, is that building anything seems to come easier for you!
CANEGURU:caneguru> Is that difficult for you to do?
KELLIEAK:Tom> yes, loosening up has been more difficult then I thought it would be
DIANNECOOK:eclectic artist> I am drawn to precision, linear design
KELLIEAK:Tom> at Ravensdale 2000 I got al ot of good natured ribbing from Jeff Devers who has done a lot of colorful, hard-to-explain work which I like, totally different from me. I thought I would explore a bit. so this is the birdhouse exercise.
MIKI35:miki> do you find the precision work confining or stifling?
KELLIEAK:Tom> no I do not find precision work confining, I really like it
DIANNECOOK:eclectic artist> In your Display 02 at your PhotoPoint site (http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=258946&a=1927572&p=34685418), are those porcupine quills??
KELLIEAK:Tom> no, those spikes are made from a skinner blend cane, Dianne
DIANNECOOK:eclectic artist> Fantastic! They look organic.
KELLIEAK:Tom> if you ever do a bead like that, you will probably grossly underestimate how many spikes you need
MIKI35:miki> oh wow....care to elaborate on how that was accomplished? the quills that is, er spikes...LOL
KELLIEAK:Tom> yes I will take you thru making those spikes. first I made a cane blending black fimo and art transparent fimo. the inside of the cane was the transparent, gradually blending to black on the exterior. I made slices about the size of nickels then cut pie shaped pieces - maybe 6-10 - from each cane slice then just rolling with my finger. I would roll the pie slices in to cone shapes with the black end being the thick end
CANEGURU:caneguru> Tom, how thick were the slices?
KELLIEAK:Tom> about like a nickel Linda
KELLIEAK:Tom> the blend was a coarse blend and the resulting spike, show the layers, transitioning, and they look very organic. I have made a couple real big, single spikes, used as pendants and they look like claws.
MIKI35:miki> yes they do....I was curious as to how you accomplished that
CANEGURU:caneguru> And how did you affix them to the bead?
KELLIEAK:Tom> I started with a bead shape that I got from Cynthia [Toops] and Dan [Adams]. the ends are fatter then the center, and then I just superglued the spikes in one at a time, I worked on it for about 2 years and it turned out to be much larger then I thought it would be
CANEGURU:caneguru> Two.... years????
KELLIEAK:Tom> off and on, yeah, can't work around superglue too much, have developed a sensitivity to it
DIANNECOOK:eclectic artist> How large is it?
KELLIEAK:Tom> 3 1/2 inches long
CANEGURU:caneguru> How many spikes would you say there are in the piece?
KELLIEAK:Tom> maybe 700
MIKI35:miki> do you prefer Fimo for this kind of work?
KELLIEAK:Tom> yes I prefer fimo, it is all I have ever used, never felt the need to explore other clays
DIANNECOOK:eclectic artist> Tom, going back to that same display (http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=258946&a=1927572&p=34685418 ) are the hollow rods on each side metal?
KELLIEAK:Tom> about the display stand Dianne, the rods are PVC plumping tubes. I work a lot with PVC
MIKI35:miki> why PVC?
KELLIEAK:Tom> I don't know hahaha
DIANNECOOK:eclectic artist> compatible with PC?
KELLIEAK:Tom> yes, very Dianne
SUNNISAN:sunni> so you can bake it successfully, tom?
KELLIEAK:Tom> you have to use some caution because it will slump at fimo temps
CANEGURU:caneguru> Yes, I'm glad you mentioned that.... I prebake my kaleidoscope tubes before covering them.. Seems like they shrink only once... At least the white PVC...
KELLIEAK:Tom> the first thing I did with PVC was cut short segments of PVC pipe and built napkin rings on them. I also save the PVC sawdust and use it as an inclusion in translucent clay. I am also using sections of PVC pipe to build canisters and I make the ends of the canisters out of polymer clay inset, in the PVC
MIKI35:miki> I noticed on your web page that you like to use a drill press
MIKI35:miki> aside from the birdhouse (http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=258946&a=1927572&p=34685420) I noticed you lean toward earthy colors and monochromatics
KELLIEAK:Tom> yes, definitely I am into earth tones and the birdhouse is just an exercise in loosening up. so when people say that they have scrap clay it doesn't compute for me, because I like muddy colors and I have never thrown any clay away because of muddy colors
CANEGURU:caneguru> Cuts down on the colors you have to keep in stock, too, eh? ;-b
KELLIEAK:Tom> you bet!
KELLIEAK:Tom> the one thing that will trouble me about scrap clay is when it has glitter in it
MIKI35:miki> mica shifts are really interesting in muddy colors
KELLIEAK:Tom> and I used to get all Mike B's [Bessemer] scrap clay, but the last few years it has been all metallic which is not my thing
CANEGURU:caneguru> And it's premo, which isn't your brand of clay.
KELLIEAK:Tom> true
MIKI35:miki> you even use Fimo for making boxes?
KELLIEAK:Tom> yes I use ground fimo to make sheets of stock and also sheets of fimo from the pasta machine to construct boxes. I am working on some ideas for making press molds to make boxes
SUNNISAN:sunni> sheets of stock? please explain, tom.
KELLIEAK:Tom> I have an inventory of baked clay sheets. some 1/4 inch thick, some thinner that I use the same as someone would use sheet metal or wood I have a shallow press mold, that I press in raw ground clay to make sheets of stock
CANEGURU:caneguru> A polymer lumber yard?
SUNNISAN:sunni> are the sheets part of your secret for precision work, tom?
KELLIEAK:Tom> Sunni, the sheets do have to be of consistent thickness for things to come out right
CANEGURU:caneguru> When you say raw ground clay, do you condition it first?
KELLIEAK:Tom> not always Linda
MIKI35:miki> I am not sure I understand what raw ground clay is
KELLIEAK:Tom> raw ground clay is right out of the package, clay that is put in the food processor. then the ground clay from the food processor is put into a shallow mold and rolled into consistent thickness and baked in the mold
KELLIEAK:Tom> sometimes each side has a thin veneer of a sheet of clay from the pasta machine
DIANNECOOK:eclectic artist> Ah, that is the look on the display 02 base. (http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=258946&a=1927572&p=34685418)
KELLIEAK:Tom> yes, that is right Dianne
CANEGURU:caneguru> What are the shallow molds made of?
KELLIEAK:Tom> the bottom plate glass with a wood frame Linda
CANEGURU:caneguru> And you put the whole shebang into the oven?
KELLIEAK:Tom> yes, the whole thing into the oven Linda and of course the clay that is cooked against the glass will pick up the high gloss of the glass
DIANNECOOK:eclectic artist> Oh, boy, now this is exciting. what size shallow molds do you use? is it possible to make them, say, larger than a sheet of paper?
MIKI35:miki> why do you sandwich the molded sheet between the PM sheet?
DIANNECOOK:eclectic artist> a stucco effect?
KELLIEAK:Tom> I like the way the cross section looks when a piece of stock clay has veneer on both sides with ground clay in the center
CANEGURU:caneguru> What kind of oven are you using? Conventional? Convection?
KELLIEAK:Tom> convection
CANEGURU:caneguru> Do you do anything particular when the clay cools to keep it from warping?
KELLIEAK:Tom> never have trouble with warp
KELLIEAK:Tom> another approach to making the stock is putting cane slices against the glass and a layer of ground clay
MIKI35:miki> how thick are the sheets?
KELLIEAK:Tom> 1/4 inch thick, about what I would want the sides of a box to be built from. in the past I have built the boxes with these sheets as if they way lumber , sawing drilling and there is always some waste.
KELLIEAK:Tom> right now I am developing press molds that yield a whole box!
CANEGURU:caneguru> Excellent! Might you market those?
KELLIEAK:Tom> if my class proposal is excepted for the muse the press molds that make boxes will be the focus of the class that I am proposing
CANEGURU:caneguru> Muse is a retreat sponsored by NPCG (http://216.65.128.234/)
KELLIEAK:Tom> The Muse will be the polymer clay conference June 2001 in Penn
SUNNISAN:sunni> will you be giving box classes prior to the muse?
KELLIEAK:Tom> probably not Sunni, unless you come to Alaska, or Mexico
CANEGURU:caneguru> Or after? (here's hoping)
KELLIEAK:Tom> yes, or after, you bet
MIKI35:miki> what kind of equipment would one need for making boxes?
KELLIEAK:Tom> necessary equipment would depend on the box making technique
MIKI35:miki> say for a beginner to make a simple box
KELLIEAK:Tom> the press mold tech I am working on, requires no equipment at all, except for a Plexiglas rod for pressing the clay into the mold
KELLIEAK:Tom> Miki, the problem with a simple box is that as with all simple things if there are errors in your process, they will be very apparent
MIKI35:miki> oh I can imagine
KELLIEAK:Tom> Kellie needs a break, I am going to type for a few minutes
CANEGURU:caneguru> Wouldn't errors look like knots in the "wood" planks?
KELLIEAK:Tom> I will be Arnold [while Kellie takes a break]
ARNOLDPOLYMR> depends on the types of error but it should not be underestimated how hard it is to make a perfect although plain little box I used to use wood working techniques. If you had a book that demonstrated some of these, you could easily adapt them to clay. I would love to teach a class some day where there were power tools available someday I would love to teach a class only on drillpress techniques
CANEGURU:caneguru> I'd like a full class on drillpress techniques.
SUNNISAN:sunni> you mean you don't just measure it out and glue it together, tom?
ARNOLDPOLYMR> Well, Sunni, there are various ways to make the ends join.
CANEGURU:caneguru> Dovetailing?
ARNOLDPOLYMR> yes dovetailing is something I have worked on. It is a difficult tech in wood or clay
KELLIEAK:Tom> Kellie is back, [she] will start typing for me again thanks Kellie
CANEGURU:caneguru> Do you use a bandsaw?
KELLIEAK:Tom> Linda, no bandsaw, but I do have a jigsaw
KELLIEAK:Tom> I have a lot of power tools but the most versatile and the one I could not do without is my drillpress. with a drillpress you can do sanding, with a sanding drum. I also use my drill press to do lathe turning
ELISSAHEART> dry sanding?
KELLIEAK:Tom> yes dry. usually I turn beads on the lathe
ELISSAHEART> No problem with the dust?
KELLIEAK:Tom> yes, dust is a hazard elissa. actually, lately I have been wet sanding on the drillpress with a shallow dish of water under the chuck.
SUNNISAN:sunni> so tom, do you wear protective equipment?
KELLIEAK:Tom> eye protection, also I have a dust collection system in my studio.
DIANNECOOK:eclectic artist> I would love some lessons on using a drillpress.. just bought the Dremel add-on drillpress.
KELLIEAK:Tom> Dianne, that is a nice tool. I had 5 drillpresses and after Ravensdale agreed to give one to a friend
DIANNECOOK:eclectic artist> Tom, perhaps you could answer a question for me.. I bought the attachable vise thinking I could use it for holding beads and then drill the holes in the beads... only it doesn't hold beads that well.
KELLIEAK:Tom> I don't think the vise will be good for holding beads, but you will put it to good use when you figure out how to use it. a vise is a good tool for making perfectly based holes in something like a sheet of stock
SUNNISAN:sunni> how do you get the holes in your beads, tom?
KELLIEAK:Tom> I usually form the beads on a rod, I don't often drill them
CANEGURU:caneguru> How much time daily do you spend in the studio?
KELLIEAK:Tom> lately, about 3 hours a week. another cool tool I have in my studio is a miniature table saw
MIKI35:miki> miniature table saw.....wow
KELLIEAK:Tom> yes, the table surface is about 1 square foot, maybe less and it has a tiny little circular saw blade that cane be raised or lowered thru the table and it can also be tilted like a regular table saw
MIKI35:miki> where on earth did you get that?
KELLIEAK:Tom> at a hobby store
CANEGURU:caneguru> Wonder if micromark has 'em (http://www.micromark.com)
KELLIEAK:Tom> yes, it is a micromark
CANEGURU:caneguru> Excellent!
KELLIEAK:Tom> no, sorry, it is not a micromark, micromark makes one, but mine isn't micromark. mine is probably less powerful then the micromark. if I had it to do over, I would probably buy the micromark
CANEGURU:caneguru> Because the one you have is overkill?
KELLIEAK:Tom> mine is just a bit underpowered
DIANNECOOK:eclectic artist> And how are you using it?
KELLIEAK:Tom> I cut sheets of stock into perfect square shapes much as you would if you were building a box out of wood
MIKI35:miki> Tom do you use finishes on your pieces?
KELLIEAK:Tom> once in awhile I will use a wash the display stand that holds the spiky bead has an acrylic wash wiped onto it. one more cool tool: the router holder that is made by Dremel. if you were building a box and wanted the bottom to be suspended in the middle of the side you can use this router to rabbet a channel in each side to accept the bottom piece of the box
DIANNECOOK:eclectic artist> rabbet a channel?
KELLIEAK:Tom> cut out a channel
SUNNISAN:sunni> Dianne, when putting shelves together, sometimes there's a channel in the sides you set your shelves in... the act of making the channel is called rabbeting
KELLIEAK:Tom> thank you Sunni
MIKI35:miki> what kind of wash to you prefer?
KELLIEAK:Tom> for the wash I use watered down acrylic paint Miki
KELLIEAK:Tom> well, we could talk about the conference experience. to me it is something that is Really important and I go to one once a year, and look forward to it all year
MIKI35:miki> oh yes please Tom
KELLIEAK:Tom> living in Alaska, Kellie can testify that there is no other polymer clay to look at, so especially for someone like me to go to a conference and see the work that people are doing - well, you can just imagine how much fun that would be
MACKIMBA:Kimba> yes!
ELISSAHEART> Do you have any guilds?
KELLIEAK:Tom> but we don't have one here either
CANEGURU:caneguru> Closest to tom is my guild... Northwest [in Seattle. WA]
KELLIEAK:Tom> yes, that is the closest one for sure and one of these days I am just going to surprise you Linda and come down for a Wednesday meeting
CANEGURU:caneguru> I'd love it. There's one day after tomorrow!
KELLIEAK:Tom> Linda, yes I know and I am came close to coming down for it
MIKI35:miki> what do you think is the best thing that you take away from a conference?
KELLIEAK:Tom> yes, one of the great things about the conferences is you get the chance to hang around with all of the polymer clay gods and goddesses
CANEGURU:caneguru> And even take demos from them. :)
KELLIEAK:Tom> and they are just real people
ELISSAHEART> I even give a few myself!
MIKI35:miki> I wouldn't be able to do anything except hang around with my mouth open
ELISSAHEART> Yes, they are real.
KELLIEAK:Tom> and it is just so cool to talk to these people that are celebrities and experts
CANEGURU:caneguru> Really, the hanging out part is one of my favorite things too...
KELLIEAK:Tom> yes the open mouth syndrome is something to be overcome but friendships form and year to year you develop deeper friendships and really look forward to seeing your friends, who you never see except for at conferences it is hard to explain, but it is sort of a religious experience
MIKI35:miki> sounds like my kinda place then
KELLIEAK:Tom> someday my fantasy is I will host a conference/retreat in Mexico
CANEGURU:caneguru> Why Mexico?
KELLIEAK:Tom> because it would be a cheap place to be! and I love Mexico
CANEGURU:caneguru> Ah. Good concept
KELLIEAK:Tom> so the cost of getting there would be a major consideration but there are lots of small hotels that a group could take over
CANEGURU:caneguru> Pick a year and let's work for it!
KELLIEAK:Tom> we will be in Mexico next week and I will be keeping my eye out for a small hotel on or near the beach where a group could rent the whole facility for a week
CANEGURU:caneguru> Cool! I'd love to do it so long as it doesn't conflict with R'dale
KELLIEAK:Tom> no, I would never jeopardize Ravensdale
CANEGURU:caneguru> Were you at the first one?
KELLIEAK:Tom> yes, I was at the first one and actually, camp long was the first one
ELISSAHEART> You could have it on an alternate year, then.
CANEGURU:caneguru> I missed camp long and RD1, met you at Camp Bosco
KELLIEAK:Tom> I guess that is true Linda I feel like I have known you longer then Bosco
MIKI35:miki> Tom....have we missed anything that you would like to discuss?
KELLIEAK:Tom> I feel happy with what we have discussed Miki
SUNNISAN:sunni> tom - what are the other retreats/conferences you attend regularly?
KELLIEAK:Tom> no, just Ravensdale, and the odd year, the clay weekend sponsored by northwest polymer clay guild
CANEGURU:caneguru> Are you putting anything in galleries?
KELLIEAK:Tom> I am trying to put things in a gallery, but I haven't found a gallery that I love most venues here are more crowded gift shop kind of places
CANEGURU:caneguru> We need to pool our money and buy out the Artifactory. :)
SUNNISAN:sunni> have you looked into Seattle galleries? or Portland, San Francisco or L.A.?
KELLIEAK:Tom> no, I can't say that I have Sunni
CANEGURU:caneguru> Maybe Facere (where Cynthia and Dan have stuff) would be interested
KELLIEAK:Tom> I need a manager
SUNNISAN:sunni> your work is high enough caliber for going out of state.
KELLIEAK:Tom> I would love to be any place where Cynthia and Dan have their stuff
CANEGURU:caneguru> Facere is cool.
SUNNISAN:sunni> Linda - is Facere in Seattle?
CANEGURU:caneguru> Yes it is. It's in City Center on Fifth Avenue
KELLIEAK:Tom> I think we are lucky to be associated with Cynthia [Toops] and Dan [Adams]
CANEGURU:caneguru> No kidding, Tom. You know Cynthia.... Dan is a fine glassworker and her husband. They do things separately and also collaborate.
KELLIEAK:Tom> they are consummate artist in my opinion. there are several great people like them on the west coast.
CANEGURU:caneguru> You should see if you can get showcased in Lapidary Journal...
SUNNISAN:sunni> perhaps you could be his go-between?
KELLIEAK:Tom> pimp me Linda!
SUNNISAN:sunni> :D
CANEGURU:caneguru> LOL.
CANEGURU:caneguru> Send me some good glossies and I'll run them by the owner
KELLIEAK:Tom> I am shooting for Ornament [Magazine]
CANEGURU:caneguru> That's a good choice too
KELLIEAK:Tom> I am anxious to be exposed to the Midwest people and the east coast people at the muse next June
CANEGURU:caneguru> Did you do Arrowmont?
KELLIEAK:Tom> no, I have never been to an east coast confab before it is a question of economics and scheduling
SUNNISAN:sunni> tom, have you blended any of your prior skills with polymer clay?
KELLIEAK:Tom> Sunni, I think that everything we learn as an art skill contributes to our current work, but to specifically answer you I am anxious to go back and do some photo transfers with some of my larger negatives, black and white. my last big photo shot before I stopped photography was in Joshua tree national park. I have some landscape work that I have never really explored because I was distracted by polymer clay
SUNNISAN:sunni> now that will be real eye candy!!! I love that park. have you mixed any of the ceramics with polymer yet?
KELLIEAK:Tom>
KELLIEAK:Tom> no Sunni, I haven't but one of the things I have in the back of my mind is extruded corner pieces (ceramic or porcelain clay) that could be used for joining box corners
CANEGURU:caneguru> Do you have a kiln?
KELLIEAK:Tom> no someone just offered me a medium sized kiln for 100 dollars, and I turned it down. I am thinking that it is just a matter of time until I am seduced by precious metal clay so at that point I will have to buy the more specialized kiln and this 100 dollar kiln would not have fit the bill
CANEGURU:caneguru> Actually the PMC kiln is not too horribly expensive - $495 [at Rio Grand]
KELLIEAK:Tom> I am sure that kiln would do everything a ceramic kiln would do and more
KELLIEAK:Tom> my beach book for our trip to Mexico will be Tim McCreight's new book on PMC
CANEGURU:caneguru> I haven't seen the PMC book but his other books are wonderful
KELLIEAK:Tom> yes, I have the spiral bound metal working book of his and it is a wonderful resource and many of the construction and fabricating techniques are very adaptable to polymer clay
CANEGURU:caneguru> Good to know!
KELLIEAK:Tom> well, it has been a wonderful chat, I have had fun you guys were pretty easy on me
SUNNISAN:sunni> it HAS been a great chat!!
MIKI35:miki> it sure has Tom....thank you so much for doing this for us
KELLIEAK:Tom> I appreciate your interest in my work
CANEGURU:caneguru> Tom, this was a most excellent chat!
MACKIMBA:Kimba> It has been great chatting with you! :-)
KELLIEAK:Tom> Thanks to Kellie for typing
CANEGURU:caneguru> And Kellie is a wonderful channeler
KELLIEAK:Tom> LOL
KELLIEAK:Tom> yes she is
ELISSAHEART> Thanks
MIKI35:miki> interest is somewhat of an understatement
SUNNISAN:sunni> your work is fascinating and beautiful, tom. it is an honor to have you join us!
ELISSAHEART> I learned a lot!
KELLIEAK:Tom> Bruce has dinner ready, so I better get off
CANEGURU:caneguru> For posterity of the chat log, what's the URL to your site?
KELLIEAK:Tom> I don't really have a webpage, I have a PhotoPoint, http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=258946&a=1927572
CANEGURU:caneguru> THANKS!
SUNNISAN:sunni> g'nite, tom!! thank you again!
KELLIEAK:Tom> thanks Sunni, I would love to have you in my studio anytime
SUNNISAN:sunni> if I ever get to Alaska, I'll show up!!
KELLIEAK:Tom> yes, come on up
CANEGURU:caneguru> And I will visit you and Kellie some day.
KELLIEAK:Tom> okay, well, I guess I will sign off now
KELLIEAK:Tom> thanks Kellie! good job
KELLIEAK:Tom> good job Miki!
KELLIEAK:Tom> see ya! it has been fun
CANEGURU:caneguru> Yeah, Miki. Great job. :)
MIKI35:miki> goodnight Tom and thanks again :o)
CANEGURU:caneguru> Bye Tom!
ARNOLDPOLYMR> - signed off -

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